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Is "Race Realism" a message of love or hate?

YouTube just banned Jared Taylor of American Renaissance and Stephen Molyneux (along with less nuanced channels of Richard Spencer and David Duke) for violating their rules on "hate" which includes "alleging that a group is superior in order to justify discrimination".

These channels promote "Race Realism" - the position that the difference in social and economic success between ancestral population groups (aka "races" ) is due to a substantial degree to immutable genetic differences and its effect on culture. They also maintain that while direct racism still occurs, it is a small component to why there are differences in outcomes.

Note: I assume most here agree that YouTube banning these channels is very bad on a 1st Amendment/Free Speech basis. Feel free to debate or discuss ramifications below.


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I want to say I LOVE red pilled black guys. (no homo : ) But I find them very charming. This is because they bring something very different to the table, i.e. the discussion. They know so many who have been duped--their families, etc. So when they finally realize the truth about leftism, they are much more convincing than a suburban white kid. Or even an urban white kid (like me)

The same goes for red pilled black girls, by the way (no hetero : )

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Note: I assume most here agree that YouTube banning these channels is very bad on a 1st Amendment/Free Speech basis. Feel free to debate or discuss ramifications below.

Yes it is, the answer is alternative platforms like here bitchute parler etc. I am noticing I am spending more time on bitchute and less on utube, this trend will continue, the fourth turning is about collapsing rotten or outdated institutions for new, this could well be one of them. Same for academia.

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Stephen is a genius and that's why the marxists banned him.

bastion Level 7 June 30, 2020
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I fairly familiar with the studies into IQ that Molyneux references, while there were many bogus studies back in that day that were brought on by a lot of racism, there are plenty of modern studies that show that IQ does differ by race, country, culture, etc and so forth, and it has less to do with race and more to do with everything else. The interesting thing is those studies showed that if you take someone from Africa with a 75 IQ, in one single generation living in a western country, their children have an average 10 points higher than their parents, and it increases every generation if nurtured. That's great news and proves that most's IQ can be improved with education, healthy diet and the right environment . We all have different IQ's are due to our environment and our evolutionary tract. If a tribal people have literally done the same thing for thousands of years, your brain adjusts to needs it isn't challenged in new ways when one is growing up. In more complicated societies, people are raised with a need to figure out complex situations that are new all the time, which would naturally help. Anthropology 101. It doesn't make them stupid, it probably means their brain is more focused on survival and function as opposed to the exercises that we all know increases intelligence: reading, puzzles, math, etc. We also know there are geniuses of every gender and race. I think cultural evolution is a real thing and not something to ignore.

There's also a study that shows that women are more often of average intelligence, while men are more have a very high IQ or a very low IQ. I suspect that is because men are required to be more intelligent for millions of years to protect the family. I accept this fact, even though I'm a woman. Not just because I trust the study, but because I know lots of men and woman and it adds up. I also suspect that men generally start out very intelligent, but then inevitably get brain damage growing up because boys will be boys. People highly underestimate the level of brain damage that some kids and teens subject themselves through sports and just having fun, and I bet some cultures have more brain injuries than others from regular activities. I feel like America has lost a little bit of IQ just from football. I'm a girl and i don't think these facts are sexist. They're just facts. Of course that does not mean that there are no hyper intelligent women or minorities, it just means it's less likely, for all sorts of reasons that have nothing to do with bigotry, just biology and history.

This is basically what I think also.

As to beauty, mentioned by @SocialDarwin... that... is in the eye of the beholder. I find Africans from certain regions extremely attractive. Both the men and the women--for different reasons. My wife, while not African, is from the British Isles, however, her Welsh ancestry gives her many features in common, both facial and head shape--profile, in particular--as well as body shape and type,--for example, a beautifully extreme waist-to-hip ratio--as well as extremely high femaleness in her hormones, etc., with many African women.

On a lighter note: Sure. Men are on the extremes. But hey, we need more geniuses in order to understand women, who are strange and mysterious creatures.

@curvycom
I feel whites are beautiful because I’m white and that’s natural instinct. I’m sure other races are sexually attracted to their own race. Science has shown this instinct. But that has nothing to do with HATE or equality in work, etc

I think we should be able to be truly honest without anger

@SocialDarwin I agree. I was merely pointing out that at least some people--me, for example, are attracted more to "Femaleness" than to racial features in particular. Another part of the Bell Curvy thing is Black guys being more male, and Black Girls Being more Female on average.

But still, they are only averages. You may find more "golden ratio" proportions in other races than the European ones, but you find extremes of femaleness and maleness in all races.

I guess that's what I like. Men are men, women are women--all is right with the world.

On an aside, we often get very attractive people when we mix up the genes a little. I like it when people are nice looking. It's eye candy : ) I know that beauty and attractiveness is not everything. But... it is a thing... nice looking people make the whole world more nice looking.

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The idea that thinking your own group is the best is "preaching hate" is insane and would never be applied in other contexts. For example if someone says their hometown sports team is the best, are they spreading hate towards every other sports team?

When I have had employees, I have tended to hire people I like and not hire people I do not like, regardless of their qualifications. A harmonious work environment is a good thing, If everyone is in on and not offended by the same jokes, then everyone is happy.

This may, by the way, be illegal in today's market. But I would still do it anyway. Leftists do it, and they seem to enjoy the echo chamber just as much.

It can be fun to circle the wagons.

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It was an evil and cowardly act of Google to ban these speakers from YouTube and kowtow to the evil radical left cult. Google used to have "don't be evil" as their motto but they might have well use "side with evil" as their new motto. Censorship in this country is getting as bad as that of an authoritarian socialist/communist regime. Big tech, schools, mainstream media etc have all become tools of the evil new party/cult/religion of the far left to silence us who have differing views.

"First they came for...
Then they came for..."

They are silencing us one by one and we need to fight back before there's nobody and no platform that allows our voices.

Naomimi Level 7 June 30, 2020

Interesting. Wonder what taboo positions are next.

@dd54 I'm very much afraid you are right.

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They're not immutable characteristics. Multiple studies have shown this. For example, during WW2, US soldiers impregnated many women in Germany, and many of thise soldiers were black. The black babies growing up in Germany had an average iq equal to the rest of Germany. Whereas, in the US, black babies growing up at the same time period had a lower iq than white Americans. The difference being that in Germany they grew up in German culture, and in the US, they grew up surrounded by black culture.
Its culture that creates the differences.

I'm not going to engage in this topic past this post. It's pointless.

What people are missing is that culture alters genetics. That is how you you get lactose tolerance in some ethnicities and not others.

What you are saying is so absurd it shouldn't need to be argued against. It's like saying all breeds of dogs are the same.

The details are unimportant but intelligence like any other trait is heritable. The question is if it can be accurately measured and if it varies by ethnicity. I can't answer the first question but the answer to the second question is obvious. Should anyone care? I don't but I do care about the anti science tone the arguments tend to take.

Thanks for the interesting comment. How do you know that this disproves the position that there are differences in ancestral groups? Might this suggest that German culture results in higher IQ than black culture? If so, might we want to incorporate more German culture here? I do like bratwurst 😉 Would the biracial kids in Germany having a higher IQ than black kids in the US say more about culture or genetics? (Assuming that IQ of white Germans and Americans is similar?)

@Admin the key point is regarding the word "immutable" which means unchangeable. There are clear differences between ethnic groups, but are differences permanent and unchangeable, or do they change according to culture. The research suggests to me that culture is a bigger factor than genetics. Like one comment above says, culture afrects genetics, so for example, if one culture abuses drugs and alcohol heavily, their children will be born with defects, and the group as a whole will suffer. However, if the culture changes, it doesn't take long for the genetics to improve as well.

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Disgraceful! But sadly not surprising. I just hope this makes more and more people aware of the true agenda that's going on.

Yes, many are waking up but then find that the media/big tech system really is rigged.

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There is no race based set of characteristics beyond how easily some of us burn in the sun. Everything else is culture and, yes, culture is real. There are national cultures, ethnic cultures, religious cultures, sub cultures, etc.

Regardless I am pro free speech. Let someone's argument fail or rise on its own merits. Don't stifle it--especially when you allow people to say the same thing but from an afro-centric perspective. I have had so many videos put in my feed this week by Youtube that hurt and appalled me for their outright mean-spiritedness and general misinformation.

I actually got a video about why white people need to be erased. Be consistent or be a hypocrite.

Sickle cell anemia, lactose intolerance, alcohol tolerance, sexual characteristics, IQ and numerous other ethnic differences would suggest you need to study how adaptation works.

The significance of those differences is open to debate not the differences themselves.

@wolfhnd

[verywellhealth.com]

@ThomasinaPaine

"SCD occurs among about 1 out of every 365 Black or African-American births. SCD occurs among about 1 out of every 16,300 Hispanic-American births. About 1 in 13 Black or African-American babies is born with sickle cell trait (SCT)."

[cdc.gov]

I don't know what your point is. Although it can be carried by people not of African descent it is more common in that group. What that means is resistance to malaria was more advantage for different groups. That is the nature of natural selection. Adaptations arise out of selection in specific environments.

@wolfhnd And RH is found in a tiny enclave of white people in Basque and also in other places far from Basque. All of this can be attributed to proximity and paternity rather than "race".

@ThomasinaPaine

Did I use the word race. Stop reading people's minds.

@wolfhnd The subject is "race realism". And I'll refrain from using the snippy comment my own mind tried to coax me to use. I'll just say that if you don't want to discuss "race realism" then don't but my comments were addressing the subject of the query.

@ThomasinaPaine

The title may be race realism but it is such a poorly defined term that I seldom use it.

Be as snippy as you like.

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They didn't say anything that wasn't true...... philosophers are now public enemies? Not right. Stephen was one of the first you tubers I followed over ten years ago. Why all of a sudden are these guys a threat? They're not... it's a war on white men and free speech

Wyozona Level 5 June 30, 2020

I believe you are not alone in feeling a sense of betrayal by Youtube and other censors. A site ban of an established creator is an assassination of a voice... and of the listener.

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Love? Hate? Don't be silly. This is a war. In a war you attack your enemies and protect your friends.

Woohoo, you have me an opportunity to use the graphic I first was going to use. Do you think it's possible to love ones enemy?

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A case for gun owners r. St louis couple defends home from mob. [slug.com]

She may need a bigger gun. A 22 just angers people.

@Admin funny. But.... I .22 is still a deadly weapon. The WW2 era Luger I used to have was also very very accurate, and would deliver a fatal headshot, for example. Still your point is well taken. Hollow points in a .45 and you have a fatal shot even in the arm because you rupture arteries.

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If IQ tests are valid, which is a big if considering the state of the science of psychology, then the evidence strongly suggests significant differences between different ethnicities.

The next issue is if there are significant differences between ethnicities in IQ what about personality. Personally test are even less scientific than IQ test. It does seem likely however that people living under different conditions for thousands of years would genetically adapt in terms of predispositions.

What we can be certain of is that differences between ethnicities is not skin deep and involve mental abilities. As much as 80 percent of the genome affects mental abilities and predispositions.

Most of the intellectuals that I consider true intellectuals dodge the question by implying it is not a question that needs asked. You could make the same argument against nuclear research that lead to the atomic bomb or chemistry that lead to explosives, or bioengineering that could go terribly wrong. It's not that it is a bad argument it's just fairly weak and inappropriate. Why don't they push for more research to prove "race realism" is a false narrative?

My personal opinion is that Molyneux missed the boat on the topic. The real issue is not differences between ethnicities but social economic classes. About 20 percent of the population is intellectually or emotionally unable to care for themselves under the current system. If left to their own devices they will essentially destroy their lives because they have no self control or ability for delayed gratification and planning. The harsh reality is that culture has eliminated to a large extent natural selection and nobody knows what to do about it. Least of all people like Zuckerberg, Dorsey, and Gates. These people are not so much innovators as exploiters. The real innovations came from other petheople. Proof of their stupidity is in they actually believe in the fantasy of a post industrial economy. The idiocy is just as bad on the conservative side with the belief in a "service economy". The message from the pandemic that 30 percent of work force is "nonessential" should have cleared up the delusions but they seem to just be doubling down with their insane social theories. The tech world is as much of a fantasy land as Hollywood.

wolfhnd Level 8 June 30, 2020

It seems likely that now that BLM/etc have shown they have power, the message will shift from identity struggle to class struggle as globalization, automation, and demographics create a perfect storm of discontent.

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Every race, every nation, every human being alive today is the result of human migration, wars, interbreeding, and genetic blending. We are one race, with a diversity of genetics that determines our epidermal traits. The genetic variants which affect these traits are caused by mutations which influence light and dark skin, and have been around since before the origin of modern humans. To claim that one skin tone is superior, is to claim that this mutation has created a genetically superior race, and in theory would mean the other races are not equipped to withstand natural selection. Which has never been the case. This is nothing more than a fallacy created to divide and separate people, based on hate and ignorance.

It appears that 15% of the difference in school performance can now be predicted using polygenetic scores. It also appears that the frequency of these markers vary among ancestral population groups. Since heritability of IQ is about 0.8 (see [en.wikipedia.org] ), this suggests that variation is not just skin deep. The key question is what to do with this knowledge? Should it be banned from Youtube as these channels were promoting it?

@Admin a high IQ does not equate to success. Many people with extremely high IQs are socially awkward. Many people with average IQs are successful.

@DeplorableToo You're correct, it does not equate to success but it is correlated for high income professions along with grit/etc. Individuals vary considerably and therefore only averages are comparable.

@Admin Can we, (though) judge the success rates of races by leaving out the moral and familial influences within those races. If you were to ask Ruby Payne why children of poverty do not succeed, you would get a different answer altogether. Her books (adored by the liberal education system in America), claim that these children are exposed to a different mindset from birth. There is a different cultural view on education and what defines success within their circles. We may view success as owning a profitable, white-collar business, while they may view success as how many dealers they have working the streets, or how many city blocks they've tagged as their gang property.

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All you have to do is travel through different continents and common sense will tell you that Africans are not quiet as intelligent as Caucasians and Asians. But this is NOT a reason to Hate or enslave them. Marrying inside your race is Not Hate

Wow! You are catagorizing people the same way these lunatics do too. Are you for merit or for color? Dont u dare say to me "i don't see color" foo'
So what is the difference between the leftist and the alt rights here so dearly searching for "free speech"

@Sophia_zaid He didn't mention color. The only one talking about color here is you. Even if the majority of Africa had white skin for some reason (which would be bad for them, given the climate around the equator...), their outcome would still be the same. This discussion isn't about color, it's about genetic variation and its influence on average outcomes for different people groups. There is huge genetic divergence between Caucasians, Asians, and Congoids, and it has been measured scientifically.

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An alien invasion would fix the race problem pretty quickly lol

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I'm going to shift lanes a little, because I don't think anything I'd say directly to the point would change anyone's opinion. What I will suggest is Murray is absolutely right when he says we must find a way for those on the left side of the bell curve to live fulfilling lives. In a world requiring an increasingly cognitively-abled workforce, with AI entering the picture, and no shortage of high IQ South Asians and median IQ folks from south of the border, this country is going to have to deal with this issue

stone Level 4 July 11, 2020
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I don't think Love or Hate comes into it. Facts are facts.

Tycho Level 7 July 6, 2020
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Jesus said, "Thou shalt not be a Racist."

Grandpa Level 2 July 6, 2020
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I admit, I’m sad to see the Caucasian race declining. It’s mostly races of Catholic and Muslims that are breeding now.

You can’t deny that Caucasians are the most beautiful. Asians are intelligent, but Caucasians are beautiful and Caucasians have the strongest immune system

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Also it's very sad that "discrimination" has been so demonized. The word used to have a positive connotation; a "discriminating" person was someone who noticed differences and made decisions accordingly. Something similar happened with the word "judgment." Making discrimination into a bad word is part of the dumbing down of the population.

Relating to things and/or people? For romance or employment? Seems really hard to discriminate on something superficial like skin color.

@Admin Relating to anything; it used to mean basically "good judgment." Race is not skin color; people of the same race have different skin colors and people of different races can have the same skin color. It's a matter of genetic connections.

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President thomas jefferson ancestors were found to include blacks americans frm the willow family( not 100%sure on the name). Till recently we havent been told our real history regarding the president elect, the most visible guy on the nation of that time. So what makes you think that when we witness this fundamental "white washing" of history ( blacks & esp. Native navahos) and well hidden chronlogical time stamps of our existance throughout the era? Folks i am not making you feel guilty but think of it like this... Just like israelites were slaving away in Egypt and left alone w/out an organized leader, under constant terror, and divisivness created by the masters to stall the collective voice they had to survive( many of you live to eat but they ate live just so to witness may be their tomorrow might be different. Anyway they left that hell to their land after so many obstacles. I am against reparations!!! IT IS AN INSULT FOR ME AND MY ANCESTORS. THEY WERE NOT BOUGHT BUT CAUGHT. I am not and crazy blm guy trying to shame you to guilt. Just one suggestion, no one is born perfect even Jesus (in the eyes of the jewish leaders of their time) so pls go see some doc of max 10 min of your day so that u be prepared to see our real enemy. POVERTY, NOT ALL WHITE PPL OF TODAY. OK. 😘

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I never watched any of their stuff, but the idea sounds like it is an oversimplification of complex topics that might not go together as well as people may think. It also sounds like something that could easily degrade into a bunch of pseudoscience, like the arguments around climate change or transgenderism.

I can see people presenting something like this as a way of trying to help a situation just as much as I can see people taking it as an outright insult. I don't think it's from a point of love or hate, I think each person has their own motives and they could have done a lot better presenting things differently.

That's with this post being my first time hearing the term race realism (but I have heard arguments of similar nature). I guess now I have some reading to do.

Might start with this lecture:

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