@ForeverFree76 Ask yourself, who is the project of "race realism" serving?

@ForeverFree76 Exactly. Asians are now the second target (next to whites) of the far left cult because Asians broke their racism and white privilege narrative. Asians have replaced whites as the top racial income group in recent years. Asian immigrants know this is NOT a racist country and you can achieve your American dreams if you work hard and take responsibility. Blaming others for your own failures is a privilege that some people are encouraged to exert.

It's called tokenism.

@ForeverFree76 Are we still talking about "race realism?"

@dd54 Here's some more: words have meaning.

@dd54 I'm a free speech absolutist, so don't talk to me. These platforms can do what they want. If centralization makes that problematic, they need to be broken up and decentralized.

The fact that you apply this specifically to whites rather than every group throughout all of history tells me you're just another anti-white racist.

@Flagherty How is "every group throughout all of history" responsible for the (white supremacist) eugenics movement of the 20th century, for which "race realism" is a euphemism?

@WilyRickWiles

OK, rabbi.

I would like everyone to read the original comment as well as the one immediately previous to this and notice how it slithers between its words and changes subjects with no apparent memory of its previous statements.

It transposes words and meanings instinctively as a snake sheds its skin. This is the nature of the enemy. They do not speak honestly and have no interest in discourse. They only seek to spread confusion and discord.

Cast such creatures aside and stride forward confidently, letting their protestations fall on deaf ears. We're only interested in those who can discern truth from lies whe exposed to the light. Their number is enough to build our future.

It is mostly or completely irrelevant what the "average" of a race is. It is only significant what individuals are. Statistics are interesting, but There are for example, so few 1 in a million geniuses or even 1 in a billion geniuses that these offer no statistics regarding race.

Genius is smothered in third world countries where there are little or no opportunities to foster it--also something to consider.

Notwithstanding my first comment, I should make it clear that I stand against censorship of any kind. The solution to bad ideas and/or finding better or more clear ideas, is discussion not banning

@GTShaw I agree. And I don't deny differences in averages. It's just that taking cases one on one as individuals yields more red pilled people of all groups.

@GTShaw
>A largely mentally population is going to be extremely violent

Low IQ isn't what causes crime though; there are plenty of Asian nations with low average IQs but nowhere near the crime rate of blacks. Most criminals are not very bright but it also has to do with testosterone and lack of impulse control.

@GTShaw This is an gross exaggeration of real numbers. You help globalists and Marxists by fostering the separation they also foster. Do you also believe in socialism for white people only? I tend to find leftist ideas brewing in separatist type circles.

Groupism = Marxism That's all there is to it.

@GTShaw Thank you very much for clarifying your position(s)

I find this site very interesting. People who disagree wildly seem to have civil discussions.

Do you have any theories as to how the magic, so to speak, happens here? ya don't see it much elsewhere on the internet.

@GTShaw Where such "safety nets" do not differ from so called Marxist ones, is that they must be implemented by force. A net is also something one gets caught in. I have personal experience in this, I'm sorry to say. That church groups providing voluntary aid to members (and non-members, as my church does) is one thing, government compulsion is quite another no matter how benevolent it may intend to be. This is true regardless of who the intended beneficiaries are intended to be.

I am suspicious of all such schemes, regardless of the populations or groups involved. They ruin more lives then they save.

On the other hand, I can BUY insurance which is a form of private averaging (risk management, to me falls short of true "collectivization) Or I can accept help from a church or charity when I am in need. At least, I can be secure in the knowledge that when I am no longer fallen on hard times, that I can pay my aid back. Whereas with government aid, it must be paid back via force. And inefficiently, at that. Means tested redistribution is maybe 5-10% efficient--if even that.

It's stultifying, emotionally crippling, and who knows how many creative and brilliant people have crumbled before such systems and have not benefited all of our lives as a result?

@GTShaw vanilla societies, such as euro-socialists who until fairly recently had a very white nordic population still suffered under the inefficiency of redistributionism. I believe that that way lies bankruptcy. Make society as homogeneous as you want, it still collapses under the weight of collectivism, tyranny and moral bankruptism.

However I do appreciate your comments. I have always wondered how and why race collectivists and/or race nationalists embrace socialism. Now, at least,I understand why you think what you think.

@GTShaw and even the most stable and viable of the euro socialist countries prior to their influx of admittedly not-like-minded unwashed masses, still could not survive properly without quite a lot of privation.

Keep in mind also, that these countries were not even truly independent. None of them, including Britain, had to undertake their own defense. They all had US for that (pun intended) That's another 30% of GDP that they didn't have to spend preferring a paltry defense budget and leaching, as do all socialists, off of more powerful entities.

In any case, at least I understand why white separatists and other such people don't eschew socialism. I have wondered this for a long time.

I admit, my vision of a homogeneous society includes values, rather than class or race, that being said, I would gladly live in any such society AS LONG AND UNTIL it embraces any form of collectivism.

I can't breathe under it. I can barely stand what little we have in my country. So much so, that I am thinking of packing up my whole life and heading for Hungary where, at least for now, Western values are embraced. And (hopefully) SJWs disappear mysteriously in the night as the cancer they are.

@Thaw I'm not living in a fantasy, really. I just prefer a lighter hand on the whip when it comes to collectivism. Police, Fire, Emergency, Military, etc. I know I, at least, am better off when this kind of thing is kept to a minimum. Hong Kong had a straight 10% tax for years until the brittish lease ran out, but during that time, it flourished. It had everything it needed with a mere 10%

That seems reasonable. God asks no more than this, we should follow His example : )

@Thaw but once again, I appreciate your views. I have, as I have stated elsewhere in this thread, always wondered where all the collectivism came from in White (or even other color) nationalism. I believe I understand your perspectives much better. For that I am grateful.

But yes. I prefer a light hand on the whip, and not such a heavy yoke, and no blinders--take whichever metaphor : ) that's a personal thing.

Where the scope of collectivism is heavy I tend to side step it with trickery, manipulation and subversion whenever I can. This is so I can flourish where the whip is harsh and the yoke is heavy.. The trouble is that not everyone is as clever or wily in that way. And I would prefer not to have to do such things, but they are necessary under a heavy yoke.

"All human beings have equal worth at birth" - no. All human beings have an equal opportunity to acquire any worth, but they are not intrusively equal by any standard. As soon as there are standards, for, say, entering the National Basketball League, there won't be any equal worth.

I'd rather say - as soon as there are diverse and well-functioning institutions, there will be enough opportunities to acquire worth and value in life to most of the people, even except most dumb and ill-tempered ones. Criminality and its fight with police forces is a game on its own, where lots of value is to be gained.

@IgorRogov You misunderstand "worth" in the sense I am using it or perhaps I have misused it. I do not mean worth to mean "have equal capabilities" but trying to say something like the "are equally human' and how any other person sees or categorizes them is irrelevant.

@Jaster_Mereel I'm a Parler moderator myself and only block accounts that belong to infiltrate who post nudity, obscenity... in order to damage the platform's reputation. I have never blocked a polite courteous opposition comment

@Jaster_Mereel no worries mate. I'm glad there communities such as IDW where we can fact check these stuff

Might start with this lecture:

Bingo. Address the number of fatherless families and the low value placed on education first. I guarantee you black communities will see a huge change. You'll also see more political balance in black communities.

@GTShaw Maybe you should read my post again and tell me where I said anything about Thomas Sowell and whether or not he invalidates racism.
If you want to read something into a post, find someone else's.

@GTShaw
Thats not what I am implying. What I am saying is pushing race realism is promoting a type of determinism with its own inherent problems like "The racism of low expectations".

@GTShaw

You are comparing mean differences and ignoring variance within groups. Equal oppertunity would allow those within a group with a lower mean but at the top end of the distribution to excel, treating them like the average or the mean number would be the racism of low expectations. Your argument is misconcieved.

@GTShaw I’d love to see your scientific evidence regarding the 99 out of 100 blacks comment, just because race realism is based on empirical study. If race realism is real—where is the empirical evidence?

@GTShaw Aw, man...you don't know me, so let me assure I'm not for one second willing to obscure or excuse black violence. My point is simply this....I'm tired of the Left making excuses for the black community. Their pandering has done nothing to address the two key problems that, in my opinion, are hurting blacks....fatherless families and lack of education. Until those problems are addressed, the cycle will continue.

@GTShaw

Thats what we do anyway, its called equal oppertunitty for all.

@GTShaw there you go, reading stuff into my post again. Where did I say blacks should live the way we do in order to have value?

Look, you're big on genetics. I get that, and that's cool. I don't have any interest in debating anyone on the role genetics may or may not play because it's just not my thing. My interest is in countering the utter BS that it's being shoved in every one of our orifices by the Left, which relentlessly pushes the narrative that whites are responsible for everything plaguing the black community, and that leftist policies are the only hope blacks have for a better tomorrow.

@GTShaw

Our society is not organised with the assumption of white averages, and an example of what you mean may help. Its a free for all with people hopefully finding their level on merit, of course wealth and other factors play there part.

@GTShaw All I want to point out is a stock photo of a bell curve isn’t showing any empirical evidence of one race’s intelligence over another. I see the example you’re trying to make with it, but I could also say that the photo represents the amount of blonde haired people who are more intelligent than brown haired people or whatever. I still haven’t seen any concrete empirical evidence for race realism. The issue I take with calling one race more intelligent than another is that people won’t look at that statement empirically, rather they will look at it emotionally and who is going to support somebody who tells them that statistically they are less smart than somebody else. I feel in the wrong mindset, knowledge like that can make one believe they are “better” than the other.... like Hitler saw Jews as subhuman and of a “lesser” race, which only created more violence. If you are smarter than somebody else, that does not make you “better” in any way. There are very intelligent people as there are less intelligent people, but simply saying that this race of humans have more problems because they are less intelligent will, imo create more problems than solve them.

@GTShaw

What you are referencing is culture not IQ.

@GTShaw I was just asking for you specifically to show me evidence that’s all. I believe its out there, I just want to see what you have specifically seen since you seem to be for it.

Wow! You are catagorizing people the same way these lunatics do too. Are you for merit or for color? Dont u dare say to me "i don't see color" foo'
So what is the difference between the leftist and the alt rights here so dearly searching for "free speech"

@Sophia_zaid He didn't mention color. The only one talking about color here is you. Even if the majority of Africa had white skin for some reason (which would be bad for them, given the climate around the equator...), their outcome would still be the same. This discussion isn't about color, it's about genetic variation and its influence on average outcomes for different people groups. There is huge genetic divergence between Caucasians, Asians, and Congoids, and it has been measured scientifically.

That is the shame of social media... even on a site that wants to promote cognitive liberty (a prerequisite for free speech). Hang in there.

If you want to PM me. I'll read it with an open mind.

I hate cold weather more than I hate anyone. Then again, I lived in a state that was often the coldest in the country.

This isn't about color. There are different genetic distributions across different people groups, and this is to be expected of groups that were apart for thousands of years. No, we aren't saying genetic differences account for 100% of the unequal outcomes across countries composed of different demographics, maybe not even 50%. But to deny their very existence or their correlation to civilizational success is to deny science.

Are you suggesting that class differences occur in monocultural societies? Perhaps that should be banned?

@Admin Uh... what? I don't get your question. Maybe ask it a different way...

I suppose class differences occur in monocultural societies... pretty sure they do. Should it be banned? What? Monocultural societies? Class difefrences? What are you asking?

@Admin Would you reference groups like Huttarites or Mennonites? They have very strict codes within their social groups but differ from colony to colony. It seems to be in humanity's nature to express individualism no matter who, what, or where.

@sacha799 And we do not say different means inferior or superior either as a universal statement. Depends on the environment.

@Robert100 Now you can't even say that men and women have differences. That is how far things have gone.

@Admin a high IQ does not equate to success. Many people with extremely high IQs are socially awkward. Many people with average IQs are successful.

@DeplorableToo You're correct, it does not equate to success but it is correlated for high income professions along with grit/etc. Individuals vary considerably and therefore only averages are comparable.

@Admin Can we, (though) judge the success rates of races by leaving out the moral and familial influences within those races. If you were to ask Ruby Payne why children of poverty do not succeed, you would get a different answer altogether. Her books (adored by the liberal education system in America), claim that these children are exposed to a different mindset from birth. There is a different cultural view on education and what defines success within their circles. We may view success as owning a profitable, white-collar business, while they may view success as how many dealers they have working the streets, or how many city blocks they've tagged as their gang property.

It seems likely that now that BLM/etc have shown they have power, the message will shift from identity struggle to class struggle as globalization, automation, and demographics create a perfect storm of discontent.

Interesting post - thanks!

Politically correct professors, politicians, media types and identity-obsessed SJW acolytes are engaging in what Nietzsche called the holy lie: natural purpose, reason, vanish and are replaced with moral purpose. The value of an action is not measured w/regard to its consequences, but w/regard to its intension and how well it conforms to a set of dogmatic beliefs.
According to Nietzsche, once you intend to influence the direction of mankind, you grant yourself the right to tell lies. “That the lie is permitted as a means to a pious end is part of the theory of every priesthood.”