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For those of you who believe Vladimir Putin is doing what he's doing in defiance of the new world order, let me get this straight now...

So... the deliberate targeting of non-combatant civilians including women and children, and the bombing of non-Military buildings such as hospitals somehow equates to Putin just merely resisting having his country join this supposed new world order? That doesn't sound like someone who is fighting against a potentially authoritarian regime, but rather just a maniacal barbarian whose only goal is to destroy anyone and anything that gets in his way. Don't give me some crap either that this is war and nothing fair during wartime, it's a general consensus that anyone who is fighting a war against another nation usually have the common courtesy albeit humane approach to those who are not enemy combatants and try to avoid civilian casualties, and in particular children. Terrorists and homicidal maniacs however have no regard for civilian deaths.

To all the Christians out there who think Putin is doing the "lord's work" by resisting the NWO, to all the "pro lifers" out there who believe in the sanctity of life (especially innocent children), I can't help but wonder how you feel about your boy Putin deliberately targeting for destruction buildings like a children's hospital, resulting in the deaths of presumably sick or injured children? Do you still believe that psychopath is only defending his own country, or maybe just maybe you are willing to admit that Putin's rhetoric and fearmongering tactics are largely what's behind the recent chaos in Ukraine, and it's not about Putin fighting against a NWO? Sorry folks, I find it hard to believe that Putin is merely defending his country's borders from the NWO, and even the existence of foreign bio research labs cannot justify such acts of blatant evil against innocent children. The technology exists today for pinpoint bombing runs, so don't even try to convince me it was all a terrible mistake, and that wouldn't be the first time Putin's regime targeted hospitals either...

The Russian army bombed and/or shelled a maternity hospital in the southern port city of Mariupol on Wednesday, according to Ukrainian government reports. Ukrainian authorities also provided video and photos as evidence.

If confirmed, this will mark a brutal new low in Putin’s two-week old invasion.

While the number of casualties at the hospital is currently unknown, more than 1,000 deaths have been recorded city-wide since the Russian attacks began.-
[americanmilitarynews.com]

[americandefensenews.com]

SpikeTalon 10 Mar 10
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War is just bad. The mainstream media is equally bad. Anyone who tells truth to power is locked up or dead. To get any real information there has to be an "Assange" in the mix somewhere. The best that can be done from a distance it to put the pieces of past history together and draw conclusions from this. Imperfect it may be but that's what is available. Covid 19 was used to curtail global production and distribution. Now that it has done its job it's time to take the worlds attention away! What better than a war. This war was always going to happen if enough pressure was put on Ukraine to join NATO. So when needed the pressure was tweaked up that final bit and Russia was left with invade or let NATO finalize its control over all the possible invasion routes into Russia.
Then you add in the EU central bank adding global warming into the realm of its responsibilities. The people will be required to live, not with what they want, but with the bare minimum. However there will be those unable to live with such privation, allowance will be made for these "special" people. (Not you or Me) Oil now is going up. Why? Would it be the war or perhaps to make all products less affordable.
There is a theme here that points a future of those owning nothing and being happy and the rest owning nothing being serfs and barely existing.

You said above "There is a theme here that points a future of those owning nothing and being happy and the rest owning nothing being serfs and barely existing."

As for the last part of that comment, sounds like the average citizen living in present day Russia. I'm sure that would apply to other countries as well, but certainly Russia all the same.

@SpikeTalon For the vast majority of history there have been slaves and a very small ruling class. Even in ancient Greese, the home of democracy, there were slaves. Slaves could be killed by their masters or used for any purpose. Russian living conditions might be lower than some but slaves they are not. There's an old film from 1927 Metropolis that points to those few that own nothing and being happy and the rest. The rest being a labor pool of slaves in all but name. There will be a new word because we can't have slavery. It sounds bad!

@adriaan23 Technically they aren't slaves by definition, as the citizens choose to remain living there.

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Relying on any news source is a mistake...unless one is there to observe what is actually going on any news is questionable and unreliable.

News reports yes, but it's hard to deny actual video evidence though. On the flip side, alot of those who say question the recent Ukrainian hospital bombing narrative have no problem accepting reports that claimed Ukraine was responsible for such, so at the least I'd say there are mistakes made on both sides of the argument.

@SpikeTalon "actual" videos can be doctored up by shooting footage from something completely unrelated. I have heard of instances of it being done. So video "evidence" is disputable. For example, Congo's muddy roads being used to portray Kenya's rural highways as worse than they are (two lane paved, but no interstates).

@jasonc65 I meant videos that have been determined to be authentic and un-doctored by independent sources who are trained at finding discrepancies in video footage. I should have explained that above better though, my bad.

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Putin does not want Russia to be surrounded by NATO.

Putin is a scuzbag tyrant who doesn't want any competition from other world leaders and NATO, so of course he wouldn't want to be surrounded by the likes of NATO, since when do tyrannical dictators enjoy any sort of competition?

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So admittedly there is a new world order to fight. Now that's news.

Who the heck knows what's gong on in Ukraine? We can't trust any government source to tell us. The media seems uninterested in anything but repeating the progressive, globalist, and now Democrat narrative. Someone took over the Democrat party who is intent on destroying the idea of, not only America, but western democratic republics.
"Fundamentally transforming America" is a phrase that came into common use during the 2008 election and was a slogan of Barack Obama. Hmmm....let's put that together.

Clinton was supposed to be his third term by proxy. Obama had enough on Clinton to ensure she would do his bidding. Unfortunately, he had to wait four years until the 2020 election to get his proxy government. Putin probably knows what's going on and he has no fondness for Obama. Is he just daring Obama to get the Biden administration to make a move against him now that he has an alliance with China? Yeah...I agree Putin is evil. Meanwhile - the American military has been sissified and forced to get an experimental medical procedure that was entirely unnecessary for young healthy adults. Two evils don't make a good.

China has criticized Putin because of the invasion. Where is the alliance then?

@jasonc65 An economic trade agreement. Putin in is in a tough position. He doesn't want the cultural revolution he sees in the west, the build back better "great reset. And he knows that China is a communist nation that will overwhelm him when and if they have the opportunity. You can only trust communists to do one thing - takeover everything. The globalist movement is communist as well. Eventually, China and the great reset movement must clash. An economic chokehold can be placed on China right now to avoid a destructive military confrontation. They are already having some economic troubles and the communist party has to go eventually for the one worlders to achieve domination. The social credit system the CCP has set up is something the globalists will keep and expand.
Nationalism, the return of national sovereignty, is the only option for us. We have ceded too much to internationalists telling us that global problems need global solutions. Most western nations have movements that want their country back. Some of the population of these western nations support have been propagandized to support globalization. It means, acceptance of manufactured global problems like climate change, pandemics, the redistribution of wealth - third world poverty, resource depletion, species extinction, destruction of ecosystems, population control. The WEF has taught the young global leaders and global shapers that these problems must be addressed globally. It means destruction of the current socio/economic/political structure and a building back better. They have a plan that people are awakening to which is why we are unable to get any truth from our governments and our media. National governments may have one more chance to escape the globalist movement and its economic squeeze. If they are democratic and can have honest elections the globalists must be removed from office. Of course, any move toward nationalism will be conflated as a move to national socialism, far right extremism.

Many people, like those here on IDW have taken an interest in politics of late; gotten red-pilled, as it were, but still, too many have not. We live in interesting times. The political powers that be do not have the general public's interest in mind. There is good resistance in every country as we see clashes and protests in most western nations but right now the globalists are poised to forcefully take over.

Russia and Ukraine are a side show, essentially, that will wind up with a regime change in Russia.

@FrankZeleniuk I see so many protests in other countries that are being ignored. No one wants to intervene in Uganda or Nigeria (not saying we should). Biden stands with Buhari. And the Buhari and Museveni regimes are much more brutal than Putin, China, or Zelinsky. But we cherry pick Ukraine for intervention. The Congo crisis has gone on since 1960, and we intervened in 1960 to cause it. Now there are positive changes in the Congo and Zambia, and no one is celebrating.

@FrankZeleniuk I'm not siding with Ukraine Frank, I have a problem with those who are only criticizing the one side (Ukraine and US etc) while completely ignoring the evils of Putin. I don't trust any of them.

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I don't know know what's fake news anymore. Military News might be fake news. The NWO has run our military for the longest time. I'm not sure that Putin's fighting the NWO. But since I don't know much, I can't make judgement. Other alternative sources seem to know what they are talking about.

I know how you feel, don't really trust hardly any of them myself.

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Oh c'mon! You are using the American Military News as your source??? Do you remember them from the Afghanistan days? They are a propaganda arm of the United States government. American exceptionalism/supremacy. Dangerous mindset in today's world.

I have no doubt civilians are going to become casualties but to say that the Russians are deliberately targeting women and babies and hospitals....YIKES! What can I say? If this was the case there would be an emergency UN meeting and everyone knows it! Why has the UN not convened an emergency meeting? Because it would provide Russia the floor to disclose their evidence.

I want to say to people here that calling for war against Russia is an opinion of some but they can keep it down in their neighborhood. Flying fighter jets into Ukraine from a neutral country violates international laws and would call for a military retaliation. People are fucking with a very serious enemy in Russia even though they can't realize it. Ukraine is a huge country and Russia has surrounded the eastern half in a pincher movement in less than 2 weeks! The type of war people are asking for is going to destroy everything they know. Tovarich in Russian means friend. It's a good word we should learn

Well c'mon then dude and let's see what a known right-leaning source has to say on the matter, lol-
[dailywire.com]

I'm inclined to believe the story/situation is indeed true as if one were to look that incident up one would find both left and right-leaning sources saying the same general story, and when both extremes could agree on something it's worth taking into consideration.

In this technological day and age and knowing the technology Russia possesses, I find it hard to believe it was a mistake on the Russian Military's part, especially knowing how Putin had in the past targeted civilian buildings, rather doubt it was a coincidence there.

Too early to say yet, the UN may very well yet convene on the matter, especially if it becomes known the civilian body count was high, and also no telling how the US will respond to that situation.

At this point not sure the best idea there trying to make friends with Russia, that hasn't exactly worked out so well in the past. I for one don't favor war, war truly sucks, but sometimes it may be necessary to pick up your weapon in defense against a tyrannical force with no regard for innocent civilians. Simply desiring to make friends with such people might not be the best idea, and you've no guarantee Russia would return the favor. Also, can't say I'm in the habit of making friends with communists who seek to censor any perceived opposition to their views. I must commend you though on your willingness to befriend others in that manner so easily, a shame there aren't more people out there who are willing to give friendship and peace a chance.

CNN is fake news. Fox is secondhand news. They sometimes agree and are both wrong. Right wing media in general.

Russia isn't really communist anymore. They have gone back to Orthodox Fundamentalism. I hear that they don't tolerate Protestants. I don't know how true that is. They don't like street preachers. I don't either. But free speech applies to all. But shouting "repent or perish" at crowds is disorderly conduct. The way that Wurmbrand plays the persecution card turns me off completely.

Until America is consistently libertarian and ceases to be the evil empire, we are not exceptional. Like Africa, Asia, and every other oppressed corner of the world, we need to be rid of our mercenaries: the demorats and the CIA.

@SpikeTalon

I follow the Daily Wire. The Daily Wire is Ben Shapiro, a pro-Israel zealot who has already been called out for supporting the Rothschilds and Zelensky. Ben Shapiro is a Zionist Firster, so I take his right-wing views for what they are...pro-Israel. Ben Shapiro stated 4 days ago that the USA could easily go in and take out Russia "just like that" to paraphrase him. He is dangerously wrong and he caught flak for what he said. Russia is not a nation the USA can take down without destroying themselves first

It may interest you to note that this conflict is really not a left vs right battle of ideologies. Many of the top political analysts speaking out against war with Russia are far left in their leanings

@jasonc65 While it may technically be true Russia is no longer communist, that still doesn't remove the fact that Putin was a former KGB sympathizer and that he rules Russia with an iron fist. China certainly is communist, and they are in Putin's corner cheering him on in the background.

@Sensrhim4hizvewz It's not only the Daily Wire saying that, alot of other known right-leaning sources are saying similar. I also know the DW is pro Israel, and while I am leery of some of the claims from pro Israel sources I could also say the same thing about the anti zionist paranoid conspiracy theorists as well. I don't trust either type of those sources. I do believe what happened with the recent hospital bombing in Ukraine as there is sufficient video evidence to backup their claims.

I never said this was a battle between left and right, and once again I do not trust either Russia or Ukraine as they are both deceitful. I do however have a problem with those who criticize one side there while totally ignoring the evils committed by the other side. See, I have no issue with you or anyone else criticizing Ukraine, but I will take issue with those who are attempting to defend or apologize for tyrants and their cruel behaviors. As for those speaking out against war, I have observed a fair number of people from both political sides who have spoken out against war, so that works both ways.

@SpikeTalon but we also say that China is in Biden's corner, cheering on the election steal. Yet Biden and Putin are at each other's throats. So which is it? All I can see is a three way war between three tyrants, with each playing the other two off against each other.

@jasonc65 China isn't in Biden's corner, China is using and playing the Biden Admin for the fools they are, using them to advance China's agenda. Putin also thinks Biden is a pushover, which he'd be right about. That's pretty much what it amounts to, a war between tyrannical forces. The only thing that gets me is some folks on this site insist on defending and making apologies for Putin, and personally I'm not interested in defending neither Russia or Ukraine, I'm searching for the truth in all of that mess.

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