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Thoughts on the John Birch Society?

While growing up, my dad was a very active JBS member. I was dragged along to many a meeting and even went to their summer camp once or twice. As a typical pre-teen and teen, who was more interested in girls and dirt bikes, you could imagine how few details really "stuck" with me over the years. However, I do look back at the principles my Dad tried to instill in me and I truly see how they have shaped me and my political outlook.

So fast-forward to today when I'm married and a couple of kids in college. I have not been politically active, but have hopefully reinforced the right and responsibility of voting while hoping they see me live out the core principles of honor, integrity and hard work.

I can say that the last couple of months have been an interesting time as I've explored different corners of YouTube and various podcasts which have stirred something inside me which I can only trace back to my Dad's ideals of limited government, the importance of the 2nd amendment, disdain of both communism and socialism, and fear of the US giving up or losing its sovereignty to the UN.

So to my actual question, is the John Birch Society still a thing? Well, google shows me they're still around. Heck they even have a twitter account and have produced Prager U like videos. Here's one that caught my attention:

Even though it is now almost 30 years ago, I recall telling a college friend that my Dad was part of JBS and they quite literally turned pale. To them JBS was anti-semitic, racist, etc. Having been to countless JSB meetings when growing up, this totally didn't make sense to me. For as much as I probably tuned out during the meetings, if something like this were true, it would have stuck with me.

Anyhow, sorry for rambling for my very first post here, but what is everyone's opinion on the the good, old, JSB society? And just for giggles, here's the best Charlie Daniels song ever which, of course, references Brother John Birch 🙂

mcoulter 3 Apr 17
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My parents were members of the John Birch Society back in the mid-1960s. This organization has made no headway in all those years.

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I started my self education about counterfeit government contacting the John Birch Society. They did not want to hear the information I found along the way. They - as a rule - consider the Constitution of 1787 as a gift from God; as far as I can tell. In fact the Constitution of 1789 is a documented crime scene, but members of the John Birch Society - as a rule - are not allowed to know this demonstrable fact. If their "God" gave them the Constitution of 1789, then the God they worship is Lucifer.

What are the differences between the Constitutions of 1787 and 1789? Were the '87ers Federalists, opting for proportional representation in one house of representatives against the '89er Anti-Federalists who wanted to keep the states more independent, a compromise between them resulting in the bicameral legislative branch. Or are there other reasons? Are the Birchers fundamentally Democrat and anti-Republican, as we might call them today, Democrats being vocal opponents of the Electoral College and the Senate's "unfairness?"

@Laika , The original Constitution (1781, Articles of Confederation) was a Federal - meaning voluntary - agreement to cooperate for mutual defense against British - criminal - aggression. The 1787/1789 Constitution was falsely claimed to also be Federal, but that falsehood was exposed by many opponents of the National (not Federal) Constitution of 1789, including George Mason, Richard Henry Lee, Patrick Henry, Luther Martin, Robert Yates, Malancton Smith, and others, and they published the specific differences between a Federal (voluntary) and a National (involuntary) association. In the actual Con Con (so-called Constitutional Convention) the opponents of Federation (voluntary association) admitted that they were breaking the law that gave them limited powers and they specified the need to avoid discussions about the meaning of Federation as opposed to the meaning of Nationalization. Also the African Slave trade was dying out under Federal Law (voluntary association) and so the Warmongers, Central Banking Frauds, and various other Nationalists made a deal (dirty compromise) with the Southern Nationalists (Aristocrats) to Subsidize the African Slave Trade with a National Tax and a Central Bank, doing so for 20 years, and millions of Capital Crimes (enslavement) funded in that way: Nationalism. The greatest usurpation, however, was the creation of an all-powerful - criminal - Judiciary, which usurped the Common Law Trial by Jury System. All that is document fact, documented on the official record. Those in the John Birch Society - as far as my experience goes - will not address those facts: sent down the memory hole. Those who condemn before investigation are those who volunteer to be forever subjected to ignorance.

@Josf-Kelley I think you're missing something basic here. Small states were fearful of being overwhelmed by Federalism and that's the chief impetus for the creation of protections by the Anti-Federalists, especially the creation of a bicameral legislature.

@Laika, You think I am missing something basic? You think that the basic something I am missing has to do with so-called "small states"? People are individuals, and one group of people in a place called Rhode Island refused to send delegates to the Con-Con in 1787 for reasons that they published. There was, therefore, no lawful way to alter the existing federation (voluntary association) to then turn that federation into a Nation-State (involuntary). Is it you who are missing something basic? Do you understand that a federation is a voluntary association and a Nation-State (at least as understood by those people in 1787) is - as a rule - arbitrary, despotic, oligarchical, and aristocratic? The 13 Nation-States under the original Federal agreement (Articles of Confederation) were in a phrase: Free Market Government Options for each individual then living in those areas of North-East America. That basic Free Market (voluntary) association was then altered in 1789 by specific individuals with names, and they signed their confession of treason on that document called The Constitution of 1789. George Mason attended the Con-Con and he refused to sign the document, he also voted against it during the RAT-ification process; which was illegal.

@Josf-Kelley Your tone is rude and unworthy of an answer.

@Laika Now you demonstrate dishonesty or perhaps a preference for ignorance. If you honestly think my reply was unworthy of an answer, then why did you answer? Do you see the obvious contradiction, or will you refuse to see it? Are you a member? Do you resort to a personal attack so as to shoot the messenger of the message you prefer to remain hidden?

@Josf-Kelley TLDR [amzn.to]

For anyone interested in voluntary mutual defense association (the law) it is a potential benefit to discuss the facts that matter in any case, to find agreement, which is then a basis for cooperation. To instead resort to Character Assassination as a means of destroying discussions concerning the facts that matter in any case is one of those facts that matter in all those cases where someone decides to resort to that means to that end. Either people can and will cooperate for the goal of mutual defense, or people can and will cooperate for the opposite goals: aggression.

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My father was also a member of the John Birch Society for decades. They are definitely not racist. I was raised to believe that all humans are equal regardless of race. My father was very well connected to the upper level officials within JBS, he had a chapter here in Portland, Oregon and he was awarded a plaque that hangs in the office of their national headquarters in Appleton. JBS has been right on so many things.

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Birch has been leading the way since its inception

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The John Birch Society is the finest, most honest group of faithfull Constitutionalists in existence. I have known many, and all were honorable people. They are an anti-Communist group, and pro-Declaration of Independence and pro-Constitution. They have always sought to get the US out of the UN.

The Left hates the John Birch society and disparages them at every opportunity. The magazaine the Society publishes is call "The New American" and is available on-line.

[thenewamerican.com]

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My grandfather was a member. I remember him buying my Mom a copy of The New World Order by Pat Robertson, which was just a warmed over Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

JBS was a founding institution of the conservative movement. It began in the midst of McCarthyist hysteria and grew to influence conservatives who have since taken over the Republican Party. Its founders were the same people who fund PragerU, the IDW, and most other conservative institutions.

It's regressive, pre-constitutional garbage. I'm glad my Mom realized that and sent me the right message by throwing that book in the trash.

@WilyRickWiles, can you clarify what you mean by your "pre-constitutional" reference? I'm not sure that I follow you there. All I can speak from is my experience through my Dad's involvement. From my perspective the US Consitution was (is?) of utmost importance and reverence to the Birchers.

@mcoulter What I mean is that their values are of the feudal, nativist variety (e.g., tradition, property, and family) that preceded those of the Constitution (liberty and equality before the law).

Their opposition to the civil rights movement certainly revealed their disagreement with equality before the law.

They're not big on church-state separation.

They're an instrument of aristocratic power, which is not in keeping with the revolutions of the 18th and 19th centuries.

And their conspiracy theories aren't grounded in the reason of the Enlightenment that produced the Constitution.

@WilyRickWiles but some of their "conspiracy theories" have and are coming true. I mite says more than a few.

@Serg97 Would you care to indulge me?

@WilyRickWiles thanks for offering your clarifications above. While my individual experiences don't exactly align with most of the generalities, I do appreciate your input. The one area I can speak on is your church-state separation comment. When an individual who was known to be a christian was elected to public office, that certainly would have been counted as a "win". Not so much from the perspective of evangelizing from their position, but more from the position of them being more likely to legislate from a more tradition, conservative position.

@WilyRickWiles Mcoulter has indicted some predictions that they think have come true in a later comment to Edgework.

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Seeing as the Civil Rights Act is currently being misused and socialism is being openly promoted from our legislature, the John Birch Society appears to be vindicated.

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I think they are looked down upon, even by anti-communist folks. But, yeah, they have turned out to be pretty spot on.

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Everything they predicted has come to pass.

@Edgework, here is the same video as above, but I'm starting at the lead-in to the "10 Communist Goals for the United States" portion. I would say seven out of the 10 have come to pass. I have marked the seven I think are correct...

  1. Expanded govt. spending (IMHO yes)
  2. Higher taxes (IMHO yes)
  3. Unbalanced budget (IMHO yes)
  4. Currency inflation (IMHO yes)
  5. Govt. control of prices
  6. Socialistic controls over economy (IMHO yes)
  7. Centralization of power (loss of state rights) (IMHO yes)
    8 - Federal aid and loss of control over educational systems (IMHO yes)
  8. Fear of modern warfare & peace on communist terms
  9. Piece-meal surrender of the free world

@mcoulter You seem to say you will mark seven out of ten with an asterisk, yet I only see one. Perhaps something unformatted them?

@VonO thanks for catching that. The site was stripping most of them out for some reason... Probably the same reason I had to use a hypen next number eight above. It was converting it into this... 8)

@mcoulter 5) Not overtly, but subtly in many cases. Take medicine.
10) Yes, altho they might not have predicted to whom it is surrendering.
9) Not sure what they meant by this.

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