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Hey folks, last time I was on this site, we were still arguing about Intersectional Feminism, the Woke Movement, and Communism. I've been off for what must be a few years. I now am need of a bit of assistance from the intelligence of the masses. Where can I find trusted information pertaining to the ineffectiveness or effectiveness of the vaccines, and the Government (Ideally pertaining to Canada) using the crisis to magnify its own power? Counter Arguments/ Sources are whole-heartedly welcome as I am interested primarily in the truth. I am currently debating my parents and brothers on the matter, and seem to be under researched on the vaccines, but can argue against legally mandated vaccines, government overreach, and the passport, and the implications it has on our Rights and Freedoms

Marcus_Aurelius 7 Aug 12
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As best I can tell the vaccine may actually aid in mutation. We know it doesn't stop transmission, it doesn't seem to alter the death rate but does seem to reduce severity in most people. What that tells us is that the virus has a lot of vaccinated people to experiment with. Traditional vaccines on the other hand have a "sterilizing" effect. They prevent transmission, lower the death rate and give the virus no p!ace to experiment. The developer of mRNA vaccines seems to think the problem is that the spike protein approach does not activate the immune systems T cell system and other mechanisms that kill infected cells and the virus.

So why go ahead with mRNA vaccines when the scientific community was aware of their limitations? Basically because they are the only known technology that can be mass produced and distributed within the time frame that could save a population from a bioweapon or naturally evolved virus that had high mortality.

The problem boils down to how deadly Covid 19 actually is and the powers that be have made it difficult to tell. There is little way to evaluate the risk of the vaccine vs. the virus.

Now the political powers problem is that the pandemic has exposed weaknesses in the medical system, especially the socialized systems in the West. Italy and Britain being prime examples not to mention the horror show in China and places like India. They basically don't have enough of anything to deal with even a fairly low hospitalization rate. Countries like the U.S. are in better shape because of capitalism but barely. Even in the U.S. the most socialized cities and states have had the most problems. Partly due to bad leadership but also population density and an already sick minority population. The pattern of equality as equally poor that follows socialism is on full display. That would be everyone but the political class and other parasites. What was suppose to be crisis they would not let go to waste in ushering in the "great reset" threatens to expose an already failed approach to social organization. As usual they can buy off the desperate poor with eviction moratoriums and unemployment benefits but the cost is inflation that the middle class is sensitive to.

I will just close by saying as to the instant tech billionaires they have a lot to lose because they backed the Democrats and actually bought into the post industrial economy nonsense. People won't care about Facebook or Twitter if they can't afford groceries and they can't censor them all.

That's one of my biggest concerns, that this is all apart of the Klaus Schwabs' Great Reset playback, especially with the types of abuse of power we are seeing. One of my issues surrounding this topic is broaching this topic without sounding off-putting, or conspiratorial, despite the fact that this does seem to be a very open secret.

@Marcus_Aurelius

I don't know if the great reset is much of a reset. Seems to me to be more of the same old, same old, with the petite nobility selling their societies down the drain for a little money and power. The instant billionaires like Soros are just crazy. The politicians stupid, lazy and greedy. Who ever is really pulling the strings are probably the WASPS or equivalent in other cultures like the people who founded the CIA in the U.S.

Andrew Cuomo is proof that there isn't some grand conspiracy. Klaus Schwab as you noted isn't keeping any secrets. For a Marxist he also doesn't seem very interested in bringing down the upper class. The new brand of communism in China, Europe and the U.S. looks a lot like Fascism to me. Just as they voted Hitler into power in Germany people keep voting for the fascists who embrace corporatism today.

I see a return to the historical norm where there is no working middle class. The period after WWII was a historical abnormality. A factory job, two cars and house in the suburbs was a great start to what the world could have been like. Then all the social programs wrecked the work ethic. Combine that with the folly of youth that took hold of the culture in the 60s and here we are with a shrinking middle class. Nobody cares about the middle class, not the poor and not the rich.

What makes this period different is that the rich have no use for the working class. There are no landed nobility, no factories that need unskilled labor, all the rich need is a few Hispanics to mow their lawns and watch their kids. The instant billionaires in tech are even exporting tech jobs. I think they see most of us as surplus population. Perhaps not consciously but at some level. One thing for sure is they don't like populism.

@wolfhnd You bring up some good points. I'll have to consider them further.

Maybe we need another World War to take care of some of our problems, huh?

@Marcus_Aurelius

I think people are just waking up from the propaganda of WWII. The lie was that fascism was some unique evil that creep into the world in the 30s. What really happened was the surge of nationalism in Germany, Italy and Japan.

Nationalism was never that strong a force in Europe as people thought it was. The royalty exchanged their daughters from country to country. Nationalism was for the under classes to keep them useful in the grand game. Nationalism for the upper class was mostly about keeping what they had and getting more. To get more patriotism was useful in raising armies. The U.S. has always had it's own nobility. Mostly up starts like George Washington who desperately tried to be an English gentleman but was locked out. It wasn't until the industrial might of the U.S. became evident that the new world nobility of self made men were taken seriously. It wasn't long after that that the global ambitions of the rich and powerful changed the nature of patriotism for the wealthy. When the country was founded patriotism for the rich and powerful meant keeping your life. When that wasn't a problem anymore they found seats at the grand chess match. A lot of prominent people in Europe and the U.S. didn't have much problem with fascism when it was profitable to trade with Germany. As soon as they discovered Germany was not going to play by the rules fascism became an evil.

The thing is that fascism isn't that different from corporatism. Take away the extreme nationalism keep some of the socialist aspects and it's pretty much what the establishment is pushing. The old idea of liberal democracy was never as profitable. The propagandists in the intelligence community have keep this rather obvious situation out of the popular consciousness for 70 years. The fact that they chose a neo Marxist like Obama to be president just an indication of how arrogant and careless they have become. They even thought they could control China. Unfortunately for them Chinese nationalism is as deep as it was in Germany and Japan. They are clowns and we are living in their clown world.

They hate Trump because he is a nationalist. They especially hate him because he isn't A fascist. He is someone who still believes in liberal democracy. Unlike Rockefeller he doesn't think competition is a "sin". He also believes in a productive middle class. A middle class that serves no purpose for the rich or famous. He is "unsophisticated", meaning he doesn't have the manners of the hypocritical petite nobility. He had no use for the grand chess game which is the ultimate crime.

The question of why the Nazis and Japanese became especially evil is a separate question than whether fascism was at the heart of that evil. It seems they learned eugenics from people like Margaret Sanger. They learned race laws from Southern Democrats. They learned to hate liberal democracy from the City of London and Wall Street. Fascism is just a word. It was the brain child of Mussolini not Hitler. In practice it has similarities with the way the East India trading company operated and the way U.S. businesses exploit slave labor in China. The question is if the way today's corporatists are embracing social credit scores isn't A polite version of a similar evil.

@wolfhnd As Mussolini believed, Fascism is state will merged with corporate power, or the term he preferred, Corporatism. He and Giovanni Gentile spawned Fascism from, what they perceived, the failures of socialism. You are right to point out that what we are seeing today is more closely resembling Fascism, or rather, Corporatism, but it seems to be wearing a Socialist/Communist veneer. Like this, it is tough to properly distinguish.

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The coronavirus vaccines are FDA authorized but not approved.
The vaccines are experimental. When asked about the longevity of their efficacy the answer is, "we don't know."
Look up the word, "experimental."
When asked about any long term adverse reactions to the experiment the response is, "we don't know."
When advised of possible adverse reactions before being THE experiment we are told DEATH is a possible result.
In its simplest form, an experiment is simply the test of a hypothesis. Experiment Basics. The experiment is the foundation of the scientific method, which is a systematic means of exploring the world around you.
After 7 months of experiments the FDA concluded they could NOT approve the coronavirus vaccines.
They did, however, authorize the vaccine manufacturers to TRY the vaccines on people.
According to the CDC, very few deaths by vaccination have been reported [only 12,000+]
from December 2020 - July 30, 2021. That's about 1700 dead per month.
But Harvard University conducted a study indicating that only 1% of the adverse effects of vaccines are actually reported.
Given the above facts and the additional fact that I personally have the coronavirus antibodies in my blood via natural immunity I am hesitant to participate in this experiment.
And, I am not yet convinced that a disease with a very high survivability rate [99.99%] for all but the very aged among us, warrants the risk of death regardless of how remote it may be.
BTW, even if Harvard got it wrong and as many as 10% of deaths after vaccinations were reported, the math says 120,000+ real people have died simply because the experiment didn't work for them. That's 17,000 dead per month.
If what is being reported from Israel is true, and it is, the "booster" vaccine is not keeping the fully vaccinated safe from fully vaccinated. They are getting sick and being hospitalized in distressing numbers by each other.
Lastly, I have been vaccinated for the flu, pneumonia and shingles. These vaccines were FDA approved. I got the flu, pneumonia and a slight case of shingles in spite of being vaccinated.
This is America. Forcing citizens to take an experimental [or otherwise] medicine they don't want is unacceptable, immoral and unamerican.
Where am I going wrong?

I agree with you, and forced mandates by the government are a breach of human rights, a Doctor, if I remember correctly, cannot force a form of medicine on somebody if they are unwilling, and I also think it is also a breach of the hippocratic oath. Would you happen to have the name of the Harvard study that you are referring to, or perhaps a link?

@Marcus_Aurelius it turned up on my FB page - posted by a FB "friend" and sorry to say but I didn't see any footnote or attributable sources for it. However, this is not the first time I saw this...so I know it's going around on Social Media sites. Sorry can't be more helpful.

@iThink That's alright, at least you helped steer the ship in the right direction.

@Marcus_Aurelius I think is what you are looking for:
[medalerts.org]

@iThink Thanks, I'll get started!

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A blast from the past, good to read you, and hope all has been going good for you. Might want to check in with the Covid group on here for resources on the topic, might be a decent start. Also, from the looks of it your Cult of Beauty group is still going strong. Take care.

Thanks, very well in fact, I've left Concordia University (after putting up with a drawing teacher who confidently declared not to have picked up a pencil in 10 years) and moved to Toronto, I started studying at the Art Academy under some well-practiced pros for a solid month before everything shut down for the first time. No more Postmodern Art cretins for me. It seems I've created an actual leaderless cult, Antifa should be taking notes. I've been pretty busy though, not enough to keep up with all the contentious topics, sadly. Going to have to play a bit of catch up. Thanks for the well wishes, hope you have been doing well.

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