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Reparations for slavery

I'm curious what folks think about the Dem presidential candidates talking about the government paying reparations to, I assume, blacks in the US for slavery in our past. Is it just a ploy to reel back in black voters who are in Blexit mode? Why do none of them address modern-day slavery which exists in astonishing numbers worldwide, including in the US?

SJJensen 4 Mar 24
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All people have been sold and enslaved though out history this is a fact. Many by their own people. So the reperation payments will never end or cover everyone. ( it's silly to think it will IT'S A VOTE GRAB)
The reality is there are over 5 million slaves today more at any point in history why doesn't the pary of = everything work on the slavery today? This does effect minorities more then other's.
Would this not make better sense and a better voter base if they are not supporting the slave industry?

People are still feeling the effects of slavery and Jim crow. How can you justify that the government which benefited from this or caused this not trying to repair this damage?

@Politico I'm not justifing anything. I'm from a very mixed family. My father worked the farm sold to his family from a black slave owner. He had a 5th grade education. I was raised middle class because my father worked 3 job's and sold Avon so my mother could raise us kid's.
I don't see how slavery of the past effects people more then slavery of today, when 8000 thous. Childen in America go missing a year most are minorities, every 40 seconds a child goes missing.
We must get past I'M A VICTIM OS SLAVERY no your not I'm nobody alive today is expect the slaves today! Your only a victim if you believe you are.

@Politico you do understand that the damage of slavery was done by people doing unto eachother what was legal at the time, brothers unto sisters mothers unto children ect. The descendents today how are they paying did they get whipped starved overworked owed used abued raped? No the are free to live to make choices and the biggest chioce many need to make is stay a slave to the government. Or not. By excepting payment from the government your staying a victim a slave to the government a payment to be a loyal subject.

@Gerri4321 So it's great that your family did well. The fact of the matter though is that many black families are not where they could have been if not for Slavery, State enforced segregation (until 1964), and the vestiges of structural racism that still permeate the institutions of the US. The US government implicitly and explicitly condoned Slavery. It was legal, as you point out. They also gained from it immeasurably. Why is it unreasonable to ask that they give the black community something back? Now this doesn't mean have a big dole line where they hand buckets of cash to every black person in the US. It could be in the form educational programs, development of black areas, all these programs have real benefits when applied in other countries. And I think the US Government owes the Black community at least that much.

@Politico people are feeling the weight of their daily choices. Not slavery. Not unjust persecution.

@Politico On a quick emotional basis reparations sound like a fair idea. When looked at logically it is not workable. Money will not fix the problem. Billions of dollars have already been spent in welfare programs and affirmative action. Still lots of complaints. When Affirmative Action was declared the answer to the problem I asked my mother why Negros (correct term at the time) were given more rights than other people from the government. I was told that they were not as smart or capable as other people and needed the extra help. This confused me. There was a Negro girl in my math class who kicked my butt on grades. Less intelligent? Less capable? Nonsense. However after 40 years of being treated by their government as less intelligent and capable it is not surprising that many Black people now feel that they can do nothing without a government program to help them.

@SpaceWillie2000 So are people affected by genorational wealth? And do you believe that the legal system in the USA is not highly racially biased?

@Farmergramma I've never made an emotional argument. I'm talking about empiric analysis. We can show that people with "black names" are less likely to get a job based on the same CV as a person with a "white name". The policing and economic opportunities in black areas create a situation which is distinctly unequal in comparing the average black person to the average white person. If you put a white person in these circumstances then they can be predicted to have similar outcomes to what happens to black people. It's nothing to do with racial inferiority. It has everything to do with structural racism.

@Politico people are effected by their financing decisions. You can give someone any amount of money to start with and depending on how the choose to spend that money will pave the path of their own future. The faster they're taught that, the faster they start prospering financially.

And the legal system in the US is being manipulated by morons who don't know what the law was written for. To allow the living of our lives according to the social compact as it is outlined in our constitution. Thus why we have so many stupid courts. To interpret the parameter of those systems, rather than pushing useless rulings that do more harm and set a worse precident for not breaking the law in the first place.

@Politico what your not understanding is one enough will never be enough. Not by the people but by those calling for it. Because it's still a form of enslavement. And 2 what your missing is people today have never owned slaves so it's not the government paying it's the people all people even the black community paying themselves. 3 there is a hidden truth about slavery in this country that many don't know.
All slave ship's where owned by rich jews ( zionist) not Europeans. They say those who own the gold hold the power rule the world.
Read white corgo. The untold history of white slavery in America the Zionists enslaved everyone.
So to expect thise to pay for what was done by a few is unacceptable. Do i like the fact slavery is a part of American history no do i except it yes. These men women and children built this country and i owe them graduate thanks and respect ect. Not there descends as well I'm owed nothing for my being a decent of slavery.
The giving admittance into college because of minority standing does not help, as well as job placement it hurts because lack of education hurts no matter what. If you don't move up because you earn it you only hurt yourself and society it's dumbing down the population for a reason.
I am not book smart by any means, but i see what is going on

@SpaceWillie2000 you should find this interesting i think.
[media.8ch.net]

@Politico i live in Detroit and if what your saying is true. Then I'm less liking to get hired. The a black person based on my race as well right? Because in my area im a minority so all management who would hire would so a "WHITE NAME" as you say and not hire me. Without looking at my experience or education?

@Gerri4321 So to start with I'm not really willing to get into a weird conspiracy theory argument about Jews. I like to have arguments grounded in fact so since you deny history to suit your narrative I don't see anything but a ideologically driven anti-Semitic rant in your comment and ahead. Stick to things that actually can be argued with data, any data I provide on these subjects will be denied as the Jews control everything. and since they control everything it can never be proven that they don't. It's a circular argument that I'm not interested in to be honest.

On the subjects of facts, in the case of employment discrimination they are on my side. And they don't care about your feelings.

[pnas.org]

This is a study in which the researchers conduct a meta analysis. As a result they find that if two people have equal qualifications but one has a "white name" and the other has a "black name" there is a statistically significant discrimination towards people with a traditionally "black name". This shows that there is a racial bias in employment. Does that mean that every manager is a fully cloaked member of the Klan? No, it means that they have harmful images - that they may not realise they have - of black people which pushes them over towards giving people with "white names" the job. This is a racial bias which can be empirically shown as in the study above.

@SpaceWillie2000 So exactly, people are effected by they're decisions. And by you're own admission making good decisions is based on a decent education. This by far favours whites in the US. Black people are structurally disadvantaged in education and as a knock on effect it's then harder to make good decisions about fiances. Either while trying to work while at school or by dropping out do to the need to work.

I'm not sure how you would fix the issue, it kinda sounds like you don't want courts. And we run into the problem of that you expect so much from the poorest people but don't have that expectation for the rich. They can afford to get out of mistakes they make where poor people and particularly black people can be given much worse sentences for the same crime. This is another Racial bias which hold Blacks in america down to this day and it is borne out of the slavery-to-jim-crow culture,

@Politico you are avoiding fact that i have stated. Like white people have been enslaved as well. And that I'm a minority in my community does the white name apply to me? And more.
As far studies goes go if thay don't include all aspects of each individuals life thay are not based on facts. Foe example

  1. hire date
  2. day's taken off
  3. holidays earned payed or not
  4. raises per hire date
  5. grievances for poor work ect. Leading to action taken
    And more so a study proves nothing except some are still willing to believe they are victims of the people around more then themselves keeping themselves down with the help of false narrative
    It's said that women get payed less. This also is not true. For the same reasons.

@Politico as far as the infomation i sent you i thought you would find it interesting to look into because it can be proven that Zionists control the federal reserve control the gold control the world as the Rothchilds have said. So i just thought you would find it reseachable and intresting is all

@Politico Not a single original thought in all that..

People learn how to handle money by watching people handle money. At home, their friends, their associates. Education gives you the numbers wisdom but experience and examples are what teach people the why. Look at AOC, with her economics degree, and she didn't know that there's a difference between revenue, and tax revenue. Numbers smart. Why stupid.

There's plenty of poor white folk too, suffering under the same kind of oppression by the same sources. Where's reparations for every trailer park in America? For every ghetto for that matter, no matter the color?

The rich aren't rich because they're stupid. They figure out the system, and count on nobody closing loopholes that can be used, by every citizen, to better their business.

@SpaceWillie2000 i am a poor American and i do with what i have. My husband hurt his back and i was in a car accident. We both suffer with many physical problems. But we ske in the best we can with the money we work for. I earn at home and he earns with his brother. And such is life for many some by no choice others by choice known or not.

@Gerri4321 I'll look in to it. Promise!

@Politico Your argument did seem emotional to me. Matter of interpretation I suspect. One fact is abundantly clear and that is the fact that the US has many millions of very successful dark skinned people. Most people have a handicap of some sort. (I am dyslexic) Most of us figure out a way around the handicap. The bottom line of the reparations argument is that forcing people who had nothing to do with slavery to pay money to other people who have actually never been enslaved is a pretty silly idea.

@Farmergramma i may come across emotional in my debating true. Well first I'm a lady and second we are know to be emotional for a reason . so if i come across that way it's a normal response i would think. I to have a disability ( epilepsy) it has never stopped me from being the thing's i wanted in life. But I'm a simple person and in being so I'm easily pleased.
The idea of reperations is a real (in my opinion) political ploy for a few resons. Long term votes, new voter's, and to keep people held hostage by the system, as well as dumbing down. So i guess your right this is emotional for me when generation's are at stake of loseing freedom they don't know is slipping away.

@Politico, you can't create something today which removes what occurred in the past. Taking down statues which depict southern civil war generals doesn't get rid of what happened in the past. Once you start going down that road of getting rid of everything that depicts life in the past, you ignore that it was history, whether you agree with it or not. What's next . . .burning books in the town square?

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I would think that if they are going after the governments who instigated slavery in the U.S. they need to go after the Portuguese for the " 20 and odd" at Jamestown, as well as the U.K. for allowing it under colonial rule.

I think the UK is one of the most heinous offenders with their colonisation of so many countries. Portugal have been doing great things lately to give their people a voice and their ‘stance’ on drugs is highly successful.

@Speyedy Portugal was the premier player on the African slave trade.

@Buflineks was! The UK has never stopped invading colonising and slaughtering.

I thought the Arab slave trade was the very beginning of the slavery history; didn't they ship lots of Africans to many different countries? Or, have I got that wrong?

@Naomi they still do. But this is about U.S. reparations. The U.S. slave trade started with a Portuguese Slave ship at jamestown.

Ah, I see. Thanks.

@Speyedy BS about the British they where the first ones to outlaw slavery well before the Americans. Maybe read some unbiased history and check your facts first

@fisherman0707 they may have outlawed slavery but they transformed it into genocide of indigenous peoples instead. It’s what the elite do! They turn it into something we can’t fight every time so they always win. Doesn’t matter what you call it, it’s deadly for the rest. ?

@Speyedy You have gone full Libtard never go full Libtard. You know what quote that is from

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As a citizen of the UK, I demand reparations from the Romans, the Normans and those pesky Vikings!

Absolute nonsense!

I refuse to pay up, pleb. And in an entirely non-hypocritical jump, I also demand reparations for the short time that Rome was ruled by the Etruscan Kings.

Then, in turn, I will demand from you reparations for my 10 gens back grandfather who was a slave from Ireland brought to America.

But hey, the Americans should pay for that too...

Further, my 6 gens back grandfather and grandmother were whites running an underground railroad point as minister and wife of a church in southern Indiana (literally within view of KY) - so please to be explaining again how those white folks owe you when they already paid...

As a Scot who is related to a Scot who fought as an Officer under William Wallace at Sterling ... and other places ... and who, about six months later was also Drawn and Quartered and Who’s Head Graced the Wall in London ...

Do I get in that “reparations” line as well?
I mean ... I think I’ve still got echoes of his PTSD to this day ... !!!
LOL!!!

(no intent to make light of other people’s PTSD)

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Reparations for any slave held to pick cotton before 1863 in the southern states of the United States, that is still ALIVE.

Fair.

And only those who were slave-holders pay.

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I think African Americans should be offered the opportunity to return to the land of their ancestors (mainly the Ivory Coast of Africa) with free passage and $20,000.00 dollars each. If they decide to stay in the U.S. then they and everyone else should shut their mouths about this now and forever.

The problem comes when they get their 20k and turn around, apply for citizenship, get denied, fly to Mexico and then just walk across the border. Bam, they're asylum seekers we've already paid 20k to.

Would be interesting to see if any take up that offer. Likely very few. Any that do, will likely find themselves the outcasts in their new found heaven. Along with being the focus of discrimination, rape, robbery, or wearing “short sleeves.”

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Why is it that no one talks about white slaves...? If reparations for slavery is just, that should include white slaves as well as black slaves. But it doesn't fit the left-wing narrative, I guess. lol

Fascinating! And victimhood - I hate it, too. Thanks ever so much for sharing your personal story. X

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Here is my thoughts on the subject. give that we have many anti-discrimination laws and the affirmative action scheme. we have offered Reparations in oppertunity. that said interracial relationships are on the rise. so we have paid reps in blood aswell. as far as i am concerned we have paid it the best ways a people can. asking for more is greed not justice.

Yes, I have said the same things to others--that reparations were paid with 40 acres and a mule, 600,000 dead, millions paid in antipoverty programs and affirmative action.

Reparations was paid 10 times over with plumbing. Look at the Projects, which are now considered racist, that was the implementation of thousands of years of civilisational innovation and knowledge from brickwork to electricity none of which they had access to in Africa.

All these things have allowed them to make fortunes exploring other avenues from Music to other pursuits.

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Not paying them shit. Not going to enable their victimhood. It would solve nothing. No one today in the US is a slave, has ever been a slave. You don't deserve it, you were not victimized. If you are black and don't want reparations you got it right!

If there not happy just deport them back. Quickest way to stop most of them playing the race card.

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Absolutely not. Hasn't the Democratic party done enough to keep blacks dependent on them? Just like immigration policy, health care, and lowering the voting age....it's all about votes.

That's what I was originally asking...this talk is all for votes, right? Yes!

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Reparations are being paid. It's called welfare - which, in essence, is slavery - self-inflicted.

It ain’t self inflicted. It’s inflicted from above, from dodgy self serving govts living the high life while maintaining their whoring to big corporations owned by the elite.

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All of the actions and shouting points of the Democratic party are aimed at dividing us as a people, this Country was built on the backs of many different immigrants, some were slaves, of many origins and colors, at this time we need to stress that we the descendants of those immigrants and native peoples, are Americans first, and do all we can to rekindle the torch of Liberty and Freedom for all of us.
The Democratic party (and much of the Republican party) have been bought and paid for by world banking elite who through the U.N. is moving forward with enslavement of the world and mass murder (Research Agenda 21-2030) our so called representatives for the most part have signed on to these agendas, the one world government (Socialist/Communist) has to destroy the U.S.A. and it's founding principals for they're agendas to move forward.

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The democrats have an interesting history (not going into it here) that has left little doubt that this is just another way to get the 'black vote'. Sadly, though, that has been a one-sided relationship that has since the mid-60s affirmative action program seen the rise of modern 'plantations' in the inner core of every major city in the U.S...

Virtually every one of the largest 20 cities in the country are controlled by democrats. Blacks are held by the combined lure of welfare, food stamps, and subsidized housing. Who would you vote for - the hand that feeds you or the one that wants you to work and be responsible for your own success or failure?

How to keep them obedient to their white masters? Offer more, dangle another carrot, give another incentive. And they fall for it every time. Black culture is one of being perpetual victims beholden to the democrats who hold them as tightly chained as the democrats of 170 years ago.

Couldn't agree more.

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We the people of all creed and color need to stand together for the now. Against the corrupt system that enslaved us all in the present.

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Politicians & pundits are suggesting now that, 140-400 years after the fact, people who had nothing to do with enslaving anyone and who, in fact, may be descended from those who fought to free slaves, should pay reparations for someone else's sins. That is both illogical and unjust. At the same time, they are ignoring the ongoing slave trade in Islamic countries. Every culture throughout history has had slavery, but Christian/European culture was the first to seek to eradicate slavery. This country was the first to fight a war on behalf of slaves. IMO this is a political football that is being kicked around expressly to create resentment and divisiveness for political purposes.
If people are serious about seeking reparations to atone for the sins of past generations, then they should start much farther back, and I should be remunerated for the Roman enslavement & oppression of my Celtic forebears. Modern Italians owe me 40 acres and a mule."

Totally agree with you and if this is indeed a bandwagon white folks can get on, I want my reparations as well

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Reparations for slaves? Are there still slaves? If there are none then who are the reparations for? Once you go down that road you will realize that no matter how much money you throw at a social problem, the more victims you create. If victim generation is your goal then this would be a good thing. If removing the crutches of victimhood is your purpose then we must stop recognizing diversity as victimization.

I've wondered how the Dems plan to handle this specifically. Who owes money, and to whom? Is the government just going to pay out the reparations with our tax money? Who receives the payments? How do they prove that they are descendants of slaves? Is this just a boost for the DNA companies? Do mixed race Americans pay with their white DNA and receive with their black DNA? I like ReggieMars' comment below: Reparations are for chumps. 🙂

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I have a "Bone of Contention" theory about such things: If it looks like it might at least destabilize any coherent opposition, then it's all good. Create an emotional polemic, then throw it down in front of folks, watch the ensuing frenzy, and do all manner of nasty stuff in the meantime.

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I'm not a slve

Never owned a slave

The definition of the word "reparation" is the making of amends for a wrong one has done, by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged.

Musta been sleepwalking or blackout drunk

Source:

14th Amendment

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I oppose reparations but I would be amused to see the dollar amounts the advocates have in mind for punishing these imagined transgressions against modern day blacks.

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There is never an excuse for reparations to anyone for some past deeds of a supposed minority of people. In life there are winners and losers, cowards and heroes. If you think you deserve reparations then you and your now dead relatives were losers and cowards. Remember the 1st people enslaved from Africa were not turned into slaves by Europeans or Americans rather by their own people so take your asses back to AFRICA and try to collect what you think you are owed. As a slave you did receive clothing, housing and food so when you pay that back maybe we can talk. NAH!!! NOT A PENNY!!!

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Perhaps reparations should be paid for the Dhimmitude of Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists, Hindus, etc.

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In Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address, he suggested that the massive national destruction caused by the war was a reparation of sorts. He clearly had a different view of reparations then the modern Democrat Party:


Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."


I probably have some ancestors who fought on the side of the North in the Civil War. Do I therefore owe less in reparations? (I know from family stories, I think they're more credible than Warren stories though.)

Or perhaps my family should even receive reparations, to make up for the struggle and sacrifice they undertook generations ago?

What about people who are descended from both sides?

Ultimately, however, my view is similar to Lincoln's.

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Ask Reverend Jesse Lee Peterson; he will say there has never been such thing as slavery. lol
On a serious note, victimhood sells and I can't stand it!

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Just no.

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I have Mormon ancestors who were run completely off of their land in Missouri in accordance with an extermination order signed by the governor of Missouri, in 1838. Not as bad as slavery admittedly, but I couldn't imagine a scenario where I would roll into northwest Missouri demanding some of that land back. Or wanting a stipend from the estate of Governor Boggs.

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If anyone should be made to pay reparation it should be Democrats. All 4+ million slaves were owned totally by Democrats. My ancestors fought for the union -- to free slaves. We've paid for slavery with our blood, sweat and tears. Every Jim Crow law was passed by Democrat congresses, signed by Democrat governors and enforced by Democrat clans-member law enforcement. If Democrat presidential wantabbees want to push this issue, we need to push back loudly and vociferously with the facts of history. The Democrats were the party of slave-owners and Jim Crow.

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