I'm curious what folks think about the Dem presidential candidates talking about the government paying reparations to, I assume, blacks in the US for slavery in our past. Is it just a ploy to reel back in black voters who are in Blexit mode? Why do none of them address modern-day slavery which exists in astonishing numbers worldwide, including in the US?
I would agree to payment of reparations, but with conditions. It should come out of every living slave owner's estate, to be paid to every living person that was a slave. This amount should be equal to the wages earned, minus of course costs (food, clothing, shelter). I think that would be a fair and equitable agreement. I believe slavery ended in 1865 (end of civil war) - so of course no one under the age of 154 should be eligible for reimbursement.
My ancestors on my fathers side were Virginia plantation owners. John Pendleton's slaves actually stayed and fought the Union sending women and children away. When slavery ended John Pendleton gave land money and such. I can go to public records to prove compensation at the time.
Ideally, the way Dems handle everything else, no.
Blacks may be crushed to learn it was another black man who was the largest slave owner in NC. To add: Who in Africa profitted? No one intellectually discusses that on either side. Maybe they should be the ones to pay. I believe Muslims profitted.
Unless Democrats have 40 acres of land and a muie for me they can step off ...
Reparations are a pathetic attempt to buy votes from blacks. I was never a slave ...not even to the Democrat Plantation. And how are these " reparations " to be determined ? Does everyone in America get a DNA test ? Do they use the " paper bag test " Is anyone foolish enough to actually think this is real ? How much would that add to a 23 trillion National debt ? And lastly ...How much would I get ? $50 ? And is that taxable? Democrats are losing black support in droves and will do anything or say anything to keep the black vote.
Like Democrats .... Reparations are for chumps.
The democrats have an interesting history (not going into it here) that has left little doubt that this is just another way to get the 'black vote'. Sadly, though, that has been a one-sided relationship that has since the mid-60s affirmative action program seen the rise of modern 'plantations' in the inner core of every major city in the U.S...
Virtually every one of the largest 20 cities in the country are controlled by democrats. Blacks are held by the combined lure of welfare, food stamps, and subsidized housing. Who would you vote for - the hand that feeds you or the one that wants you to work and be responsible for your own success or failure?
How to keep them obedient to their white masters? Offer more, dangle another carrot, give another incentive. And they fall for it every time. Black culture is one of being perpetual victims beholden to the democrats who hold them as tightly chained as the democrats of 170 years ago.
If we give reparations, why not go back over a thousand years when the Romans invaded and occupied England? Why not give some to those from Poland and Ireland when they tried to get jobs in this country in the late 1800's & early 1900's? The question, is, when will it end?
That's a very interesting question. Personally I have been on a genealogy search recently. I was told that one of my great-great-grandfather's was run out of St Louis during the civil war because he was a slave holder. I later found out that he was business partners and friends for over 30 years with one of the foremost abolitionists at the time. To the point that his partner financially supported Dred Scott and encouraged him to sue for his freedom. So, no slaveholders there. He did own slaves in 1830, but there is no mention of them in the 1840 census. I often said that since one of my great-grandfathers was a slaveholder, and the other was a staunch unionist, the people asking for reparations could have my half-assed apology anytime they wished. As a matter of fact they could kiss it. By the way I just checked around my house and the outbuilding, and I find no slaves. Curious
Politicians & pundits are suggesting now that, 140-400 years after the fact, people who had nothing to do with enslaving anyone and who, in fact, may be descended from those who fought to free slaves, should pay reparations for someone else's sins. That is both illogical and unjust. At the same time, they are ignoring the ongoing slave trade in Islamic countries. Every culture throughout history has had slavery, but Christian/European culture was the first to seek to eradicate slavery. This country was the first to fight a war on behalf of slaves. IMO this is a political football that is being kicked around expressly to create resentment and divisiveness for political purposes.
If people are serious about seeking reparations to atone for the sins of past generations, then they should start much farther back, and I should be remunerated for the Roman enslavement & oppression of my Celtic forebears. Modern Italians owe me 40 acres and a mule."
I do believe it is a ploy to get the black voters back. It’s interesting that they want to address a social injustice that has been illegal for over 150 years but they turn a blind eye to the human trafficking and slavery that is happening right now through illegal border crossings.
All people have been sold and enslaved though out history this is a fact. Many by their own people. So the reperation payments will never end or cover everyone. ( it's silly to think it will IT'S A VOTE GRAB)
The reality is there are over 5 million slaves today more at any point in history why doesn't the pary of = everything work on the slavery today? This does effect minorities more then other's.
Would this not make better sense and a better voter base if they are not supporting the slave industry?
It's hard to understand any mentality where you are held accountable for the actions of your ancestors, I mean where does one draw the line? All that should matter is who are your friends and enemies in the present, and not the past. Everyone is born as a blank tablet and should have the opportunity to make their own decisions without a legal framework to punish future sons and daughters for their grandparents sins. Its absolutely abhorrent.
When they produce someone living that was enslaved by me personally (which is impossible as I have never personally owned slaves), I will gladly pay reparations regardless of race, creed, or national origin. Otherwise, I work hard for my money, and I am responsible for my choices not those of my forefathers.
I do believe it is a ploy to get votes from those who do not want to take responsibility of their current situation in life. It is easier to lure the child with candy than to lure them with the knowledge to make the candy, due to the outcome while being short lived, it is now, and not in the future. Will they do politically what they say? What has history shown us? Probably not and I am sure there will be another shinny object tied to a string to troll them to something new. Or I could be wrong and it may lead to the undoing of woven fabric that holds our society together, that at this point may be stretched so tight to the point that one sharp edge may cause a tear, and not be able to be mended easily.
A question now comes to mind on how would they possibly implement this and validate it? So would you tax and I assume that would be the way it would go, by looking at how other forms of welfare are supported. So who do we tax? Just white people? So how do you decide who is a white person? By the way maybe someone is white, however doesn't identify as white. Do we figure through geniology who has owned slaves in their heritage? What if that heritage leads to a black family today? Are they taxed then, and at what proportion? Do we tax everyone across the board no matter what? So i guess for some it is a tax , and others an investment? I do not know or can not see a way that anyone can logically sell the idea of reparations to the public for a small proportion of people where the only problem they are having is taking responsibility for their own life, creating a vision of what they want, making a game plan to get it, and putting aside the things in their life that are limiting the manifestation of that vision. Or maybe I am also just an angry white man...lol.
All of the actions and shouting points of the Democratic party are aimed at dividing us as a people, this Country was built on the backs of many different immigrants, some were slaves, of many origins and colors, at this time we need to stress that we the descendants of those immigrants and native peoples, are Americans first, and do all we can to rekindle the torch of Liberty and Freedom for all of us.
The Democratic party (and much of the Republican party) have been bought and paid for by world banking elite who through the U.N. is moving forward with enslavement of the world and mass murder (Research Agenda 21-2030) our so called representatives for the most part have signed on to these agendas, the one world government (Socialist/Communist) has to destroy the U.S.A. and it's founding principals for they're agendas to move forward.
I have Mormon ancestors who were run completely off of their land in Missouri in accordance with an extermination order signed by the governor of Missouri, in 1838. Not as bad as slavery admittedly, but I couldn't imagine a scenario where I would roll into northwest Missouri demanding some of that land back. Or wanting a stipend from the estate of Governor Boggs.