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How should we talk about the NZ attack?

I have read the manifesto that the shooter put out and whilst I believe he is an evil heartless man who had committed a deeply unethical act, I can still follow his manifesto and see how he got to where he got to... that isn’t to say I agree In the slightest bit as I see it we should first understand WHY so that we can understand how to stop it. Same with Islamic Terrorism. But how do we do this? How do we tackle the problems of immigration, Islamic ideology and far right reactionary attacks without sounding sympathetic to any of either sides unethical, immoral and irrational points?

Andyspooner 2 Mar 16
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What i do not understand is that the Police, Secret Service of my country knew all this and they allowed it to happen. He lied to people and gun clubs. Remember he was Australian.

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Andyspooner, just by chance, do you have the video posted by the shooter ay the Christchurch mosque ?

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Let me say first that i have not read the shooter's manifesto, so i might be completely off base in responding. but having said that i think we are talking 'apples and oranges'. the horrific acts of a lunatic killing innocent people have happened periodically such as the disgruntled teacher blowing up a school in the 1920s (?)...our tendency, i believe, is to find something in their behavior that makes sense to us which may or may not be wishful thinking on our part. islamist terrorism is something completely different imo. the geo-political ideology that drives the invasion of virtually any other nation and people we might call lunacy, but it is far from being an isolated incident as the new zealand shooter, nor is it unplanned. this has been going on for quite some time... as their "influence" grows resistance to them might lag but i think is a natural response. five hundred years ago the resistance might be quicker and more violent but our own equanimity and generosity has led us to assume that ismlamists are equally generous despite their own stated intentions.

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I asked a similar question recently, it seems that conservatives (right leaning) are concerned about the proliferation of muslim birthrates. This concern is dismissed by the left which frustrates conservatives. I believe peer reviewed statistics proving or disproving this theory need to released to enable further discussion, at least conservatives will have their voices heard and socialist will have to come clean. The constant disenfranchisement of conservatives are pushing them further right and the emboldened socilists armed with pc and virtue signalling are moving to other extremes. NZ will have a love in and overcome this crisis but Australia is reaching boiling point atm. The killers manifesto suggested a war between left and right and the footsoldiers and pawns are falling into line as fortold. Globalists vs Nationalists.

Good point. I wonder what those statistics are?

@Andyspooner i just watched this

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There are several thing that were reported that make me wonder. One witness's description of the shots made me think of a fully auto weapon, and I have fired a few and know the sound. The reports talk about how the (I believe) six weapons the suspect had were legally possessed. The reports also state that the suspect was an Australian. The question is how could a non-citizen be legally in possession of a fully auto weapon, or even a AK-47?

He had them legally and licensed

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Best to take a 48 hour rule, minimum, before posting any public commentary on current events. Inevitably the facts overtake the narrative.

Fair point... I think that’s a great rule of thumb.

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In essence, bad things happen. There will always be an element of insanity or hatred in any society that from time to time gets expressed in this way.

Our last mass shooting in NZ was 28 years ago and the number killed this time equates to about 2 months of road traffic accidents. So it is a statistical anomaly. A blip.

I'm not psychologist so I cannot comment on this guy's mental profile but clearly his act was irrational because it won't change anything other than play into the hands of the left in NZ who will use this an excuse to ban weapons i.e. reduce our freedom. Unless that was his objective it was a crazy act. It could just be he was a narcissist looking for his Andy Warhol 15 minutes of fame.

Tighter regulation of firearms won't make anyone any safer either. He could have committed a similar sized atrocity in any number of ways. The world trade centre buildings were brought down by box cutters. The London tube and bus bombers made bombs from household chemicals. Oklahoma was fertilizer bomb. Japan had a Sarin gas attack.

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Recognize that theses issues are important but not "urgent", i.e. we don't need to discuss them right now. Just think about things for now, then deliberately bring it up and discuss in a few weeks when things have settled down.

By waiting a couple weeks, you give the victims time and space to mourn, you give yourself a time to consider what you really want to convey, and you give others time to stabilize from reactionary shock.

Waiting to discuss also weakens future terrorists who are looking for attention and media frenzy. Don't let the terrorists set your timetable for discussion.

Just remember to actually talk about it later.

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I'd say exactly how you worded it above, you can understand where folks like that are coming from, but that doesn't mean you agree with or condone what they did.

I live in New Zealand and I’m finding it difficult to articulate that the killer wasn’t crazy, he believes what he said and in what he did. But the attention here has been turned onto gun laws... which whilst should be dealt with, there is something else more sinister lurking on the fringes of society. I just don’t want to in anyway appear as if I support the shooter, but some of what he wrote In his manifesto is accurate. It’s an uncomfortable feeling.

@Andyspooner the killer is not crazy, he is evil

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